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Re: EA shuts down Visceral Games, overhauling their Star Wars game

Oct 17, '17, 2:26pm

Valomek wrote:The only people you can blame are the people spending their money on these games.

So in reality the people that have made it worse, are the people on this forum, in discord and reddit that are all talk but no action.


Here's why I don't think you're right here. I don't think it takes a majority or even a large percentage of a game's user base to make it good financial sense to do this. Are there people who are all talk no trousers when it comes to bitching about companies but giving them money anyway? Absolutely. But I think plenty of people do walk the walk by either not buying the stuff they don't like within these games, or not buying the game at all.
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Oct 17, '17, 2:27pm

II GTA FREEK II wrote:
Valomek wrote:
II GTA FREEK II wrote:I hope you never have a job in the business side of video games. You'd only make it worse.


The only people you can blame are the people spending their money on these games.

So in reality the people that have made it worse, are the people on this forum, in discord and reddit that are all talk but no action.

A large portion of any group working together, or individually making good choices, is not realistic in situations like this. Stop acting like it is. It's no more plausible than the actual Star Wars universe itself.


So you think people should keep giving companies money for making decisions they really don't like but that complaining on the internet is what is going to make them really pay attention? If people seriously cared they would vote with their wallet, its really not that hard.
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Re: EA shuts down Visceral Games, overhauling their Star Wars game

Oct 17, '17, 2:38pm

All I can think is that instead of getting a really polished adventure story like Uncharted 4, we are going to get an OPEN WORLD SHIT SHOW LIKE ANDROMEDA!

Probably with some half ass retarded bullshit multiplayer, and CASINO LOOT BOXES IN BOTH MODES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And all probably because some marketing dipshit ran a survey of dumb tards and got a bunch of buzzwords clicked on.
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Oct 17, '17, 2:41pm

All EA has done with the Star Wars license is make a game that hadalready existed and a sequel to that game that put shit back in the game that were already in the original games. Lol the entire sequel trilogy will have passed before EA puts out a Star Wars game not named Battlefront and not already made before lmao what an embarrassment
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Oct 17, '17, 2:46pm

The_Redback wrote:So you think people should keep giving companies money for making decisions they really don't like but that complaining on the internet is what is going to make them really pay attention? If people seriously cared they would vote with their wallet, its really not that hard.

Well in my experience complaining has done more to reverse stupid decisions than this whole vote with your wallet thing. Look at Shadow of Wars' paid DLC based off of that guy that died.

Because my point is that you voting with your wallet is most likely not going to do jack shit. Individually your money means nothing to them, and getting enough people to all vote with their wallet is most likely not going to happen.
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Oct 17, '17, 2:51pm

II GTA FREEK II wrote:Because my point is that you voting with your wallet is most likely not going to do jack shit. Individually your money means nothing to them, and getting enough people to all vote with their wallet is most likely not going to happen.


And I'm fine with that. I would rather live knowing that I am standing by my principles and that I am not a hypocrite. If people are fine with being a hypocrite/having no integrity then good for them but it makes them gutless cowards.
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Oct 17, '17, 2:54pm

II GTA FREEK II wrote:Because my point is that you voting with your wallet is most likely not going to do jack shit. Individually your money means nothing to them, and getting enough people to all vote with their wallet is most likely not going to happen.


That is what we are saying, which is why the blame is with the people that buy and play these games and not EA.

I just don't see EA as a big bad Wolf, when in reality they are just doing what people want(ready to pay for)

You May think and feel like complaining is doing much, but it only does something if they can see it in their pre-order numbers.
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Oct 17, '17, 3:32pm

Valomek wrote:
II GTA FREEK II wrote:Because my point is that you voting with your wallet is most likely not going to do jack shit. Individually your money means nothing to them, and getting enough people to all vote with their wallet is most likely not going to happen.


That is what we are saying, which is why the blame is with the people that buy and play these games and not EA.

I just don't see EA as a big bad Wolf, when in reality they are just doing what people want(ready to pay for)

You May think and feel like complaining is doing much, but it only does something if they can see it in their pre-order numbers.

I simply don't agree that EA is 100% innocent in this. And that goes for any of these companies. I understand wanting to make money, and I understand AND AGREE that they should be molding enough games to make money. But only to a certain extent. When it comes to something that starts at a place of creativity, I believe that a company should respect that creativity. If you're only in a business to make money, then I don't believe you belong there, especially not in the world of entertainment. It's already clear you'll disagree with that, trust me I know. That's just my opinion with this whole thing.
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Oct 17, '17, 3:35pm

Here's an article in Rolling Stone from earlier this year about an Activision patent designed to 'encourage' people to buy microtransactions:
http://www.rollingstone.com/glixel/news ... ms-w509288

Excerpt:
"For example, if the player purchased a particular weapon, the microtransaction engine may match the player in a gameplay session in which the particular weapon is highly effective, giving the player an impression that the particular weapon was a good purchase. This may encourage the player to make future purchases to achieve similar gameplay results."

This is really fucking gross.
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Oct 17, '17, 3:44pm

II GTA FREEK II wrote:When it comes to something that starts at a place of creativity, I believe that a company should respect that creativity. If you're only in a business to make money, then I don't believe you belong there, especially not in the world of entertainment.


EA has no respect for creativity and that's precisely why Valomek, Redback, and myself aren't surprised by this (you chaps feel free to correct me if I'm putting words in your mouth). They have a long history of putting money first, and this decision, while being perceived negatively by yourself and others (rightfully so), will likely turn out to be more profitable for them than the project that was originally conceived. Valo isn't saying EA is innocent - he's saying they like money more than creative freedom, and their outward appearance in the "hardcore" gaming community.
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Oct 17, '17, 3:46pm

gwnner wrote:Here's an article in Rolling Stone from earlier this year about an Activision patent designed to 'encourage' people to buy microtransactions:
http://www.rollingstone.com/glixel/news ... ms-w509288

Excerpt:
"For example, if the player purchased a particular weapon, the microtransaction engine may match the player in a gameplay session in which the particular weapon is highly effective, giving the player an impression that the particular weapon was a good purchase. This may encourage the player to make future purchases to achieve similar gameplay results."

This is really fucking gross.

And now we wait for the inevitable Jim Fucking Sterling video about this. Can't wait. ThisIsFine
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Oct 17, '17, 3:47pm

Frostilyte wrote:aren't surprised by this


I don't think anyone is saying they're surprised by this.
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Oct 17, '17, 3:53pm

Frostilyte wrote:
II GTA FREEK II wrote:When it comes to something that starts at a place of creativity, I believe that a company should respect that creativity. If you're only in a business to make money, then I don't believe you belong there, especially not in the world of entertainment.


EA has no respect for creativity and that's precisely why Valomek, Redback, and myself aren't surprised by this (you chaps feel free to correct me if I'm putting words in your mouth). They have a long history of putting money first, and this decision, while being perceived negatively by yourself and others (rightfully so), will likely turn out to be more profitable for them than the project that was originally conceived. Valo isn't saying EA is innocent - he's saying they like money more than creative freedom, and their outward appearance in the "hardcore" gaming community.


I don't think anybody is surprised.
EA just closed (again) a very talented studio because it's never enough. and they just told everybody.
I can, at the same time, completely understand why they do what they do and fell disgusted. the two things are not mutually exclusive.

Everybody likes to shit on Ubisoft all the time. Me included.
Ubisoft is no EA.
and they love money.
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Oct 17, '17, 3:55pm

gwnner wrote:I don't think anyone is saying they're surprised by this.

KindaMatt wrote:I don't think anybody is surprised.

Fair point. I spoke out of turn. kfwink

I still stand by the rest of what I said - that I don't believe EA is a company that cares about their outward appearance to us, or creativity.
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Oct 17, '17, 3:58pm

Well...it's always sad to see a studio go. I had some interest in their Star Wars game....but now it seems like it's going in a direction I could live without. It is what it is I guess.

Do I fault EA for making a business move? Nope. I don't care what economics classes you take, but I've been taught that businesses are in the business of making money and when it comes down to it, this was a move that will most likely benefit EA's wallet in the end...so it makes sense. I think EA is a shady company that is highly corporate, but I'm not going to sit here and say that they should but creativity before money. One of those two things I just mentioned allows them to make future games...so that is what they are going to pursue.

EA is making boatloads of cash off micro-transactions and I"m sure they have the charts to prove it. So for all they know they are giving people what they want.

Personally I don't care either way. Like I said, I had a slight interest in the game but it wasn't something that I was dying to play. It sucks to see a studio go like this...but it is what it is.

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Oct 17, '17, 4:02pm

How long until we hear about the Respawn/God of War directors SW game that was also supposed to be Uncharted-like? Guaranteed that gets reworked too.

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Oct 17, '17, 4:14pm

GregB wrote:How long until we hear about the Respawn/God of War directors SW game that was also supposed to be Uncharted-like? Guaranteed that gets reworked too.


Remember that jail break game 'A Way Out' from E3? They'll be making that into Destiny soon enough!
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Oct 17, '17, 4:29pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOSUWFgLWGU&t=0s

As if 1313 wasn't gutting enough.

Now we get another live service game that EA can ram with micro transactions and loot boxes. Even weirder that EA are also putting out Anthem that looks like the same thing just without the Star Wars license. Like Jim says in the video they'll probably kill Bioware next.
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Oct 17, '17, 4:52pm

Man this is just dumb. I loved the idea of Visceral doing a Star Wars title that would be (hopefully) akin to a KOTOR title, that is more story based and a new aspect of the overall universe. But meh, this is nothing new for EA. I get it from a business stand point; cutting your losses with a game that seemingly is having issues isn't something new (R*, I bet you did that to Agent quietly you bastards...), and it is a smart move if you believe that resources and financial backing is better suited towards another title or generating a new IP. They're out to make money, and they are getting to the point where they will create titles that will give them the option to nickle and dime as much as possible. I fully expect the new NFS to have microtransactions, missing content that will be sold later as DLC, and so on. I mean, BF2 already is looking like a haven for that crap too, Anthem will potentially be the same. That's the world we live in anymore. I do wonder if Amy and Bruce will team up and make a studio now since Amy I assume probably won't want to stick around at EA (if she can't do the game in her vision, same reason she left ND). That'd be kinda sick.
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Oct 17, '17, 5:38pm

Frostilyte wrote:I wasn't surprised when I heard about this earlier.

A linear single player game, even with the Star Wars branding attached to it, isn't likely to have the kind of return on investment that EA is interested in.

JerrodDRagon wrote:I like want to cancel my Battlefront Pre Order now....like fuck EA

Given how often you rail against all of the things that are demonstrably present in that (season passes, lootboxes, microtransactions, pay to win mechanics) I'm surprised to see that you aren't just buying battlefront, but you're preordering it. You don't really put your money where your mouth is, do you?

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gwnner wrote:This whole thing reminds me of when everyone wanted wanted their own World of Warcraft. These companies just flew in head first, not realising that only so many gamers wanted these types of games, and that they can only really commit to playing one of them. I can see this blowing up in EA's face. They're not just making this Star Wars game into a Destiny type thing, they're also giving us Anthem too.

Yeah there is a possibility of that happening. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out in the long run for them.

Ummm I pre ordered it before the Pay to Win stuff, I loved the Prequel book and was really excited for the story but now....I don't know.

I rented Shadow of war, but didn't buy any loot boxes. Might have to Rent Star Wars as well and see how bad it all is.

Also I'm not against Season Passes, I've bought each one from Nintendo because they are 20 bucks and a good deal of content.

I'm against 40+ dollars season passes because they never give you another game's worth of content.
Also as Greg said might be better to buy games sometimes with lootboxes and just buy none and be someone they see who beats games without buying loot boxes.

But now, no clue. I don't want to Give EA money to renting the game seems best

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