Justintime wrote:I recently finished Luke Cage after putting it off for a while. I liked it alot but didn't finish it as fast as Daredevil. And I finished Jessica Jones in one night. Iron Fist looks like the first season of Arrow when Oliver comes back to his dad's company from his shipwreck. Did anyone else think that or just me?
Here’s a few excerpts:
” [Iron Fist] feels like a step backward on every level, a major disappointment that already suffers from storytelling issues through the first six episodes made available to critics and would probably be mercifully skippable in its entirety if it weren’t the bridge into the long awaited Defenders crossover series… Through six episodes, in addition to failing to introduce a main character I care about at all, Iron Fist hasn’t given me any season-long arc/objective that I could describe for you, much less one I’m curious to see resolved — and that’s before it hits that wall between episodes seven and 12 that none of the Marvel shows has been immune to.”: THR
“Not one element of this plodding piece works. The action scenes lack spark, snap, and originality. None of the flat, by-the-numbers characters makes any lasting impression. And as origin stories go, the tale of Danny Rand (Finn Jones), at least as rendered by this creative team, is about as exciting as a slice of Velveeta cheese left out in the sun too long. It takes forever for anything to happen on “Iron Fist,” and as it stumbles along, the uninspired production design, unexceptional cinematography, and painful dialogue fail to distract the viewer from the overall lack of depth, detail, or momentum.”: Variety
“The sad truth, however, is that Iron Fist is the weakest of Marvel’s Netflix series to date. As far as diversity, representation, and appropriation go, the series fails in a number of ways. But, over the course of its first six episodes, it also manages to fall short on basic levels like storytelling. Its creative laziness bankrupts the entire show. Marvel’s new series is a disappointing case study in studios needing to try harder to tell difficult stories well.”: The Verge
“While this high-rise approach does set Iron Fist apart from the other, grittier and more urban Marvel-Netflix series, it also lends the show a sterile look and feel. Again, it’s all very prime time soap opera-ish. The latter of these first six episodes eventually brings in more comic book-y and fun elements, but Iron Fist is thus far the weakest of the Marvel-Netflix series.”: IGN
“The fact that both Danny (Finn Jones) and Colleen (Jessica Henwick) aren’t good at talking should be no sin for the genre. The problem is that Iron Fist is virtually all talk — most of it painfully dull — and the fighting is both brief and unconvincing. It’s easily the worst of the Netflix Marvel shows — where the others tend to start off well and then run into massive pacing problems around episode 8 or 9, Iron Fist begins as if it’s already at that sag point — and an unfortunate illustration of the perils of miscasting.”: Uproxx
“I fully expected Iron Fist to be a decent adaptation ultimately hobbled by an unwillingness to stray too far from its dated source material… And let me be clear: Iron Fist’s problems with its portrayal of Asian cultures and Asian-Americans are embedded throughout every episode. It’s just that its problems with delivering exposition, crafting consistent characters, and even basic dialogue writing run right alongside.”: Polygon
BedaHouse wrote:But it got me to think, and its this: The studio cannot win in this situation -- no matter what.
IF you cast an actress of Asian descent for the role -- then are you typecasting. If no actresses of Asian descent want the role, you cast a non-Asian -- you are "white washing" the roles. (Reminds me of the issue they had w/ Dr. Strange and "the Ancient")
I guess I just don't see anyway for there not to be a controversy.
PS: I haven't seen good reviews either -- but I'm going to try this radical thing: see it for myself. I'm going into it with no expectations, and we'll see what I think after.
Jay wrote:Similar to Arrow (then again most super heroes have a similar origin story) and it will probably not suck as much ass as Arrow does right now. That show doesn't even know what it is anymore.
danielthamior wrote:Now, about Iron Fist... I honestly don't care what the critics say, I just watch/read reviews to see what the people are thinking about the product. I love Danny Rand, I think he is a really great character and deserves a chance even if the critics don't like it. ^^
Mavryk wrote:danielthamior wrote:Now, about Iron Fist... I honestly don't care what the critics say, I just watch/read reviews to see what the people are thinking about the product. I love Danny Rand, I think he is a really great character and deserves a chance even if the critics don't like it. ^^
I'm avoiding reading as much as I can, so it doesn't taint my viewing experience. I think once the show is out in the wild people will be fine with the casting. I think it should only have been an issue IF they changed the characters race (or gender for that matter), but seeing as he was white in the comics, there's no reason why he can't be white now. It's not white washing, or ignoring diversity, it's keeping true to the artists original vision which I respect. My biggest issue with the casting is that they chose the Knight of Flowers from Game of Thrones, as nothing in the actors performance from that show makes me think of a mystical Kung-Fu legend. But casting up until this point has been pretty spot on for the Netflix shows, so I'm going to assume he has a broader range than GoT allowed him to show off.
danielthamior wrote:Yeah,I totally agree. If the character was new and white it would be something, but staying true to the comics it's an all different thing. And about Finn Jones, I liked him on GoT as Loras (watching some interviews with him and comparing to his version of Loras shows that he is a good actor). If his acting in Iron Fist is good as he was in Got, + kick some ass with kung fu , i'm totally fine with it. ^^
Mavryk wrote:danielthamior wrote:Yeah,I totally agree. If the character was new and white it would be something, but staying true to the comics it's an all different thing. And about Finn Jones, I liked him on GoT as Loras (watching some interviews with him and comparing to his version of Loras shows that he is a good actor). If his acting in Iron Fist is good as he was in Got, + kick some ass with kung fu , i'm totally fine with it. ^^
Yeah exactly, if he was a brand new character, or if they were "whitewashing" then I could kinda get behind the anger. Danny Rand is white in most interpretations of the character, so there is no reason why he shouldn't be white in this, especially if he's surrounded by an Asian cast. Did people have this much outcry against Stephen Amell being the Green Arrow as a white man? As it's essentially the same thing. Most people have an issue with his lack of goatee than the actors race. The only way I can get behind changing an establish characters race/gender is when it's a new character taking on the superhero identity, like the new Thor, the new Iron Man, or Miles Morales as Spider-Man. And it sounds, from what I know about the character, that the Iron Fist can be passed onto others, so in the future they could do it. But right now they want to use the Danny Rand character, which is fine.